U.S. Federal Government (non-Defense) / Department of Homeland Security / Technical Information Services

Job-title file

Technical Information Services

Carry out the duties of this position in support of the agency's public mission.

28 employees hold this title in Department of Homeland Security. Median total compensation for the role is $92,419, below the department median of $107,590.

Employees: 28
Total payroll: $2.7M
Role median: $92,419
Agency median: $107,590
Comparison: Below

What the records show

Role pay distribution

Pay distribution for this role

$62,835$155,483+

Hover a bar for its range; click to filter the list below.

How total compensation varies among the 28 people in this role. Even for one job title, pay differs with seniority, step, overtime, and tenure. Each bar is a pay range; the far-right bar collects the highest earners.

Compare departments

This role across U.S. Federal Government (non-Defense)

Technical Information Services is held in 18 U.S. Federal Government (non-Defense) departments. In Department of Homeland Security, the median of $92,419 ranks #17 of 18.

Highest-paying departments for this role

United States Agency for International Development

$181,216 · 1

Department of Commerce

$135,079 · 62

Department of Energy

$134,419 · 7

Department of Health and Human Services

$129,759 · 239

Environmental Protection Agency

$129,489 · 5

U.S.Agency for Global Media

$128,956 · 10

Smithsonian Institution

$125,650 · 7

Government Printing Office

$125,650 · 1

Department of Labor

$122,080 · 10

Department of Agriculture

$113,032 · 47

Nat Aeronautics and Space Administration

$111,231 · 3

Judicial Branch

$108,433 · 2

Median total compensation for the Technical Information Services role in other U.S. Federal Government (non-Defense)departments (highest first). Each bar links to that department’s page for this role.

Same department

Other job titles in Department of Homeland Security

Accounting 408
Accounting Technician 266
Administrative Officer 134
Aircraft Mechanic 127
Auditing 306
Budget Analysis 462
Civil Engineering 199
Civil Rights Analysis 98
Construction Analyst 126
Contracting 1,236
DHS Cybersecurity Specialist (For DHS Use Only) 180
Economist 102
Education and Vocational Training 92
Electrician 105
Emergency Management Specialist 10,736
Engineering Technical 91
Environmental Protection Specialist 882
Equal Employment Opportunity 147
Equipment Facilities, and Services 125
Equipment Services 118
Financial Administration and Program 933
Fire Protection and Prevention 101
General Attorney 1,189
General Business and Industry 310
General Engineering 423
General Legal and Kindred Administration 335
Government Information Specialist 338
Grants Management 408
Human Resources Assistance 200
Human Resources Management 1,693
Information Technology Management 4,531
Instructional Systems 151
Inventory Management 185
Language Specialist 90
Legal Instruments Examining 272
Logistics Management 600
Maintenance Mechanic 262
Management and Program Analysis 7,363
Management and Program Clerical and Assistance 395
Marine Machinery Mechanic 97
Materials Handler 143
Miscellaneous Administration and Program 7,297
Miscellaneous Clerk and Assistant 583
Operations Research 167
Painting 108
Paralegal Specialist 116
Program Management 1,075
Public Affairs 436
Safety and Occupational Health Management 186
Secretary 119
Security Administration 1,385
Security Clerical and Assistance 1,013
Social Science 137
Statistics 90
Supply Clerical and Technician 100
Supply Program Management 826
Telecommunications 404
Training Instruction 773
Transportation Operations 189
Transportation Specialist 162

Record list

Employees with this title

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Adam Goughenour

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$157,982

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $157,982
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $157,982
Pay grade: 14
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $157,982
Basic Pay (before locality): $118,552
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 16
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Adam Goughenour is a Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. 2024 total compensation came to $157,982. They are classified at grade 14.

James Noyes

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$153,354

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $153,354
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $153,354
Pay grade: 13
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $153,354
Basic Pay (before locality): $115,079
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 10
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, James Noyes serves as a Technical Information Services based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Their 2024 pay totaled $153,354. They are classified at grade 13.

Ji Kim

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$139,395

Sub-department: DHS Headquarters
Base pay: $139,395
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $139,395
Pay grade: 14
Work city: Washington
Work county: District of Columbia
Work state: District of Columbia

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $139,395
Basic Pay (before locality): $104,604
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 110010001
Length of Service (Years): 5
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Ji Kim is a Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Washington, District of Columbia. 2024 total compensation came to $139,395. They are classified at grade 14.

Braden Nichols

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$129,759

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $129,759
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $129,759
Pay grade: 13
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $129,759
Basic Pay (before locality): $97,373
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 7
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Braden Nichols works as a Technical Information Services for Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Braden earned $129,759 in 2024. Their pay grade is 13.

Adriann Buyze

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$119,037

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $119,037
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $119,037
Pay grade: 12
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $119,037
Basic Pay (before locality): $89,327
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 8
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Adriann Buyze holds the role of Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. In 2024, their total compensation was $119,037. Their pay grade is 12.

Lisa Dize

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$115,731

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $115,731
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $115,731
Pay grade: 12
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $115,731
Basic Pay (before locality): $86,846
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 32
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Lisa Dize works as a Technical Information Services for Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Lisa earned $115,731 in 2024. Their pay grade is 12.

Roy Weber

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$115,348

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $115,348
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $115,348
Pay grade: 13
Work city: Norfolk
Work county: Norfolk
Work state: Virginia

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $115,348
Basic Pay (before locality): $97,373
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 511760710
Length of Service (Years): 6
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Roy Weber serves as a Technical Information Services based in Norfolk, Virginia. Their 2024 pay totaled $115,348. They are classified at grade 13.

Thomas Kraemer

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$112,425

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $112,425
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $112,425
Pay grade: 12
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $112,425
Basic Pay (before locality): $84,365
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 16
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Thomas Kraemer works as a Technical Information Services for Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Thomas earned $112,425 in 2024. Their pay grade is 12.

Edwin Curtis

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$111,852

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $111,852
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $111,852
Pay grade: 13
Work city: Norfolk
Work county: Norfolk
Work state: Virginia

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $111,852
Basic Pay (before locality): $94,422
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 511760710
Length of Service (Years): 15
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Edwin Curtis serves as a Technical Information Services based in Norfolk, Virginia. Their 2024 pay totaled $111,852. They are classified at grade 13.

Jessica Ridenour

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$109,119

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $109,119
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $109,119
Pay grade: 12
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $109,119
Basic Pay (before locality): $81,884
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 17
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Jessica Ridenour holds the role of Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. In 2024, their total compensation was $109,119. Their pay grade is 12.

James Greer

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$107,590

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $107,590
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $107,590
Pay grade: 11
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $107,590
Basic Pay (before locality): $80,737
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 18
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

James Greer is a Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. 2024 total compensation came to $107,590. They are classified at grade 11.

Robert Durham

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$99,315

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $99,315
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $99,315
Pay grade: 11
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $99,315
Basic Pay (before locality): $74,527
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 7
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Robert Durham is a Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. 2024 total compensation came to $99,315. They are classified at grade 11.

Cedric Barkley

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$94,061

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $94,061
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $94,061
Pay grade: 12
Work city: Norfolk
Work county: Norfolk
Work state: Virginia

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $94,061
Basic Pay (before locality): $79,403
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 511760710
Length of Service (Years): 12
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Cedric Barkley serves as a Technical Information Services based in Norfolk, Virginia. Their 2024 pay totaled $94,061. They are classified at grade 12.

Richard Schwandtner

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$93,798

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $93,798
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $93,798
Pay grade: 11
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $93,798
Basic Pay (before locality): $70,387
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 11
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Richard Schwandtner serves as a Technical Information Services based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Their 2024 pay totaled $93,798. They are classified at grade 11.

Shannon Bricker

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$91,039

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $91,039
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $91,039
Pay grade: 11
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $91,039
Basic Pay (before locality): $68,317
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 10
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Shannon Bricker holds the role of Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. In 2024, their total compensation was $91,039. Their pay grade is 11.

Michael Shaffer

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$91,039

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $91,039
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $91,039
Pay grade: 11
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $91,039
Basic Pay (before locality): $68,317
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 11
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Michael Shaffer serves as a Technical Information Services based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Their 2024 pay totaled $91,039. They are classified at grade 11.

Jonathan Woodley

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$91,039

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $91,039
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $91,039
Pay grade: 11
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $91,039
Basic Pay (before locality): $68,317
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 12
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Jonathan Woodley serves as a Technical Information Services based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Their 2024 pay totaled $91,039. They are classified at grade 11.

Patricia Gunther

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$84,366

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $84,366
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $84,366
Pay grade: 09
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $84,366
Basic Pay (before locality): $63,309
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 24
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Patricia Gunther holds the role of Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. In 2024, their total compensation was $84,366. Their pay grade is 09.

Steven Loitsch

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$81,428

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $80,928
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $500
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $81,428
Pay grade: 11
Work city: Norfolk
Work county: Norfolk
Work state: Virginia

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $80,928
Basic Pay (before locality): $68,317
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 511760710
Length of Service (Years): 4
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Steven Loitsch is a Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Norfolk, Virginia. 2024 total compensation came to $81,428. They are classified at grade 11.

Kendrick Jackson

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$77,023

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $77,023
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $77,023
Pay grade: 09
Work city: Elizabeth City
Work county: Pasquotank
Work state: North Carolina

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $77,023
Basic Pay (before locality): $65,020
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 371460139
Length of Service (Years): 7
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Kendrick Jackson serves as a Technical Information Services based in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. Their 2024 pay totaled $77,023. They are classified at grade 09.

Mary Pate

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$76,024

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $76,024
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $76,024
Pay grade: 11
Work city: Elizabeth City
Work county: Pasquotank
Work state: North Carolina

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $76,024
Basic Pay (before locality): $64,177
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 371460139
Length of Service (Years): 5
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Mary Pate serves as a Technical Information Services based in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. Their 2024 pay totaled $76,024. They are classified at grade 11.

Shelden Burkle

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$75,245

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $75,245
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $75,245
Pay grade: 09
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $75,245
Basic Pay (before locality): $56,465
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 3
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Shelden Burkle works as a Technical Information Services for Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Shelden earned $75,245 in 2024. Their pay grade is 09.

Amanda Carey

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$75,245

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $75,245
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $75,245
Pay grade: 09
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $75,245
Basic Pay (before locality): $56,465
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 8
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Amanda Carey is a Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. 2024 total compensation came to $75,245. They are classified at grade 09.

Hannah Reed

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$75,245

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $75,245
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $75,245
Pay grade: 09
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $75,245
Basic Pay (before locality): $56,465
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 7
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Hannah Reed holds the role of Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. In 2024, their total compensation was $75,245. Their pay grade is 09.

Jesse Swain

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$74,572

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $73,572
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $1,000
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $74,572
Pay grade: 11
Work city: Norfolk
Work county: Norfolk
Work state: Virginia

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $73,572
Basic Pay (before locality): $62,107
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 511760710
Length of Service (Years): 2
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Jesse Swain serves as a Technical Information Services based in Norfolk, Virginia. Their 2024 pay totaled $74,572. They are classified at grade 11.

Phillip Vogelgesang

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$70,685

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $70,685
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $70,685
Pay grade: 09
Work city: Glen Burnie
Work county: Anne Arundel
Work state: Maryland

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $70,685
Basic Pay (before locality): $53,043
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 240673003
Length of Service (Years): 4
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Phillip Vogelgesang holds the role of Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Glen Burnie, Maryland. In 2024, their total compensation was $70,685. Their pay grade is 09.

Natalie Bass

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$62,835

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $62,835
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $62,835
Pay grade: 09
Work city: Elizabeth City
Work county: Pasquotank
Work state: North Carolina

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $62,835
Basic Pay (before locality): $53,043
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 371460139
Length of Service (Years): 1
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

At Department of Homeland Security, Natalie Bass serves as a Technical Information Services based in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. Their 2024 pay totaled $62,835. They are classified at grade 09.

Leanne Sippel

Technical Information Services/Department of Homeland Security

2024 total comp

$62,835

Sub-department: United States Coast Guard
Base pay: $62,835
Overtime: $0
Other pay: $0
Benefits: $0
Total compensation: $62,835
Pay grade: 09
Work city: Elizabeth City
Work county: Pasquotank
Work state: North Carolina

Source-specific fields

Adjusted Basic Pay (incl. locality): $62,835
Basic Pay (before locality): $53,043
Country: United States
Duty Station Code: 371460139
Length of Service (Years): 1
Occupation Code (OPM): 1412
Pay Plan (OPM): GS

Leanne Sippel holds the role of Technical Information Services at Department of Homeland Security based in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. In 2024, their total compensation was $62,835. Their pay grade is 09.